More Battery Pack Musings

More Battery Pack Musings

What has 5,000 welds and 600 tiny fuses? One battery module. I drew up a schematic for the module to get an understanding of layout, and it looks like it will be the easiest to do 10 x 60 with a somewhat offset pattern, to accomodate the heat exchanger. (see above)

This has the downside that nickel strips simply don't carry enough current; using 8mm x 0.3mm nickel strips in this way, the pack would only be able to supply about 150A before overheating. Thankfully, there are some options here, I found a supplier that makes hybrid nickel (weldable) copper (high current) solutions, and they should be able to make something perfect.

combo of copper and nickel

Apart from that, I thought it might be good to have an aluminum frame for the module that the PETG panels are attached to. And I can use laser-cut PETG panels as cell holders, also.

70mm2 copper wire as collectors for the high voltage and bob's your uncle.

Let's talk about Batteries

Let's talk about batteries and battery packs.

As per the plan, I want the overall battery capacity to be provided by 4800 18650 cells, arranged in an 80S60P configuration. According to the battery cell datasheet, that means the battery pack will be able to deliver 384A continuously (2C), representing 112kw or 150hp, and up to 576A peak (3C), representing 168kw or 225hp, for short burts. The voltage under load will sag to 292v, but fresh it will be 336v, so this puts it right in the range of optimal for the Tesla drive units (either 320V or 335v optimum, depending on 3D6/3D7 (performance or base)), as well as the OBC I plan to use (~330V charging voltage).

I want the overall battery pack to consist of identical sub-modules. This will make it easier to design and test, as well as give me a target for fabrication which I can already start with. The Orion 2 BMS (configured as 96-S) has 8 cell groups, each of which can manage up to 12 cells, and 8 thermocouple inputs. The 96-S variant has 2.5kv isolation between groups, which considering our 80S architecture, means that if each group is 10 cells, it will fit perfectly. If each module is two groups, that means that each module will have two thermocouples, and can be individually fused without causing potential danger.

Looking at the overall volume available for battery, I defined (somewhat arbitrarily) a reasonable size pack as 100 x 15 x 25 (cm). The maximum amount of cells I could fit into that volume is 1372 (14 rows of 49, with 2 columns), but that doesn't leave any room for cooling, or bus bars, or really anything other than battery. Since the total number of cells I am going for is only 1200, I can fit that perfectly with a (13 x 46+2) x 2 arrangement. It looks something like this: Battery Pack Dimensioning

Each module would weigh a minimum of 60kg just from the battery cells, so with the enclosure and cooling and bus bars and everything it's probably going to be closer to 80kg. Currently I plan to fabricate the modules out of extruded aluminum, polycarbonate, and fiberglass. Each module will have two identical but mirrored layouts of 600 cells each, arranged into 10S60P. The reason for this is so that I can run the entire string from the back of the car up to the front and then back to the back without excessive lengths of high voltage cable. (follow the pink line in the picture below to see what I mean) Four modules arranged in the car

For the BMS, I'll need to integrate two thermocouples as well as the cell taps (20 of them) into a nice automotive-safe connector. I'll want to have a coolant manifold/connection on each side, and 2x hv connectors (one for each pair--part to be chosen).

Depending on physical constraints, it might make sense to split each module into two half-sized modules with 600 cells. This would double the number of connectors and water connections, but potentially make assembly and mounting easier.

Motor Musings

There are a few different variants of the Model 3 RDU in the field. Looking at some measurements, I think I'm going to want one the 3D6 variant, which has the newer "hairpin" style stator windings, and the performance specs (lower "optimal" voltage of 320v instead of 335v). The 3D7 might even be better (wider range of speeds where it has power), but it would require a different battery architecture (higher voltage) which would throw off my plans for the AC/DC and other things...

Looking into driving the Tesla Model 3 RDU itself, there are a few different ways to interface with it:

  • Ingineerix on youtube posted a video in 2020 showing the interfacing via CAN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWVt5I0XKyk
  • EV-Controls sells a commercial solution to do the same https://www.ev-controls.com/product/ev-controls-t2c/
  • There's a massive thread on openinverter about the model 3 drive unit which has been going on (also since 2020): https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=575

I'd prefer greatly to integrate the messaging/control to the motor into whatever CAN/CAN device I have to develop to drive the existing onboard electronics and interface with the charger and BMS... but unfortunately life doesn't appear to be that simple:

The Tesla drive units have quite a bit of logic on them, amongst the responsibilities of the inverter is implementing a cryptographic challenge to the security controller (part of the immobilization system). No (paired!) security controller, no dice. I asked Ingineerix via reddit messages if he had any hints or suggestions, and he very kindly responsed with these salient points:

  • The information to bypass the security pairing is extremely sensitive as it'd allow people to trivially steal cars. I'd have to reverse-engineer it myself, which considering it took Ingineerix months with access to a working car and years of experience working with automotive CAN (and electric conversions) puts this into the realm of "not really possible"
  • Once the motor is outside of the car, the pairing process between motor and security controller is extremely difficult if not impossible, and you'd need access to Tesla's service tools to do it
  • Be sure to get the connectors that go to the motor, as you can't get them aftermarket (and most sellers don't include them)
  • It's a really bad idea to do this piecemeal, and much smarter to buy a whole (dead) model 3 donor

If only I had the space... looks like I will be budgeting for the T2C. I also sent Ingineerix some "gas money" as his advice has definitely saved me some pain, time, and money.